The Numinous Podcast
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
Episodes

Saturday Feb 04, 2023
Saturday Feb 04, 2023
Dr Cyndi Brannen, one of the world’s foremost Hekatean experts, is here to talk about her most recent book, Entering Hekate’s Cave, now available in stores and online. This is Cyndi’s fourth book and her third time on the Numinous Podcast. We're talking about how Hekate can guide us on the journey through darkness to wholeness, and also about Cyndi's own evolution as a scholar and author.
Cyndi's other books on Hekate include
Keeping Her Keys: An Introduction to Hekate's Modern Witchcraft
Entering Hekate's Garden: The Magick, Medicine and Mystery of Plant Spirit Witchcraft
Make sure to get on her newsletter list to find out when the doors next open to the Covina Institute!

Monday Jan 30, 2023
Monday Jan 30, 2023
Jen Murphy is the founder of the Celtic School of Embodiment where she fuses the ancient wisdom of Irish Mythology with Feminine Embodiment Coaching. Jen has a degree in Medieval Irish & Celtic Studies and a masters in the Anthropology of Development. She specializes in critical pedagogy - empowering learners to critique the power structures at play in their own learning experiences. I've enjoyed taking Jen's courses, particularly the Non-Linear Movement sections, and am thrilled to have her on the show today to share how she weaves land, mythology, embodiment, and music into her coaching and healing practice.
Website
Jen on Instagram
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Friday Dec 16, 2022
Friday Dec 16, 2022
Taryn Strong is one of the Founders of SHE RECOVERS® Foundation as well as a Coach, Herbalist and Trauma Informed Yoga Teacher. Taryn’s courageous and passion for recovering out loud has made her an influential voice in the global recovery movement. Taryn creates and curates transformational experiences online and in person through her group and private mentorship offerings. As a certified Trauma of Money Facilitator, she currently specializes in financial empowerment and money healing. She also mentors entrepreneurs in recovery who are seeking support to take up space, find their voice and expand their business through aligned impact.
Taryn is also expecting her first child and I was curious about how she is navigating that rite of passage, not only spiritually and creatively, but also in the context of recovery.
TarynStrong.com
SheRecovers.org
Mentioned in this episode:
The Roots of Addiction in Free Market Society, by Dr.Bruce Alexander
Rat Park studies
In The Realm Of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction, by Dr.Gabor Maté

Friday Dec 02, 2022
Friday Dec 02, 2022
Kael Klassen moved from the corporate world into motherhood before fumbling, fortunately quite quickly, through a series of well-meaning-but-problematic-white-lady spiritual endeavours. Since extracting herself as much as possible from that, she has grounded her work in the modality of trancework, along with writing and creating. Here we talk about missteps each of us have made on our spiritual paths as white settler folks. In this confessional episode, we cover topics like culty yoga teacher trainings, ancestral healing and appropriation, mental health on the healing journey and how it intersects with the creative process. Kael shares intimately about coping with grief and rage, and the rituals that help her to root into winter.
In this episode we mentioned the art and philosophical approach of our esteemed colleague, Rachael Rice.
You can find Kael's offerings on instagram @kael.klassen or @liminalrootsbotanica or online at www.liminalrootsbotanica.com

Friday Nov 25, 2022
Friday Nov 25, 2022
This episode gets us back to the roots of this podcast: the mysteries of life...
In this episode Velda Thomas, author of Blended: Perspectives On Belonging, engages questions like, What does it take to be human? How is a cultural bridge created between people? How are you transactional with yourself?
Velda Thomas was born and educated in England with biracial family ancestry sourced from Africa, the Caribbean and the Americas. She is a creative, author, healer, and artist. Her love of plants, herbal remedies, sound practice, somatic and ritual experiences weave passion with grounded human experience. Velda has worked as a kindergarten teacher, adult educator, birth doula, and massage therapist. In this episode, we learn more about her work with voice, sound, and energy healing.
Find her book here: veldathomas.com
Follow her on Instagram: @veldathomas11
Engage on Patreon: www.patreon/veldathomas.com

Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Desiree Adaway is here to share with us how time has been constructed as a tool of oppression and how we can resist becoming complicit with supremacy culture through time pressure, and instead become aware of different ways to be in relationship to time.
Believe me: she understands time pressure, my friends! Desiree has over 20 years of experience creating, leading and managing international, multicultural teams through major organizational changes in over 40 countries. As the Senior Director of Mobilization for Habitat for Humanity, she was responsible for planning the strategy and training for hundreds of membership organizations, totaling more than 50,000 members. She was responsible for the overall strategy and DEI plans for 1,600 US affiliates and one million volunteers globally.
Desiree is an expert at teaching others how to handle complex, charged conversations (particularly around identity and power) with grace, assertiveness, and transparency.
Her program, Whiteness at Work is a one-of-a-kind primer in intersectional race equity work. To confront white supremacy, racism, institutional inequities, and power dynamics in our organizations we must learn a new set of skills. It requires shared language, a historical and cultural analysis, a nuanced understanding of our own identities, the ability to have difficult conversations across difference, and the capacity to imagine and create new ways of being.
The Whiteness at Work program is Five modules containing 30 lessons, and over seven hours of training content. Each Lesson is accompanied by a comprehensive resource guide and an extensive debrief and activity guide to help solidify learnings and apply them to your organization.
Follow Desiree on Facebook and Instagram.

Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Something a little different today: a clip from a recent Tutorial call in The Numinous Network where I answer a question from Marissa of @riverinehart.hidetanning about the connection between trance and the collective. It's a great question that speaks to a through-line that touches on dreams, trancework, somatics, large scale cooperation dilemmas, death literacy, awe, the vagus nerve, and emotionally taking care of ourselves and each other as best as we can during collapse times.
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Tuesday Oct 25, 2022
Tuesday Oct 25, 2022
My friend, Dana Da Ponte, is here to talk about art journaling with the moon! Dana is a professional intuitive, artist, witch, and certified MAP Practitioner. She helps highly sensitive people reach their goals with the moon and the power of their subconscious mind. She believes play is a portal to the Divine and you don’t have to be serious to own a paintbrush.
She is the creator of the Moon Mapping Year, a collection of recordings that rewire the brain in rhythm with the seasons and lunar cycles, and the private MAP Your Mornings podcast where she shares daily recordings that work with your subconscious mind and the astrological energy the moon is reflecting down to us.
She also leads a community that loves to art journal with the moon and every new moon she shares a Creative Moon Cycle Guide to help you use the energy of the new and full moon phases to heal and manifest.
And she’s here to jam with us and share more about the intersection of creativity, the moon, the subconscious mind, the body and disability (Dana has Mast Cell Activation Syndrome), and art.Follow Dana on Instagram and check out her blog and offerings on her website.
Support the women of Iran.
Email your Canadian MP
Sign the Amnesty International petition

Tuesday Oct 25, 2022
Tuesday Oct 25, 2022
Content Warning: Mentions suicide, substance use, bereavement, language.
Sarah Durham Wilson is the author of Maiden to Mother: Unlocking Our Archetypal Journey into the Mature Feminine.
Her own mother died when Sarah was just a teenager and life sort of spiralled from there for a while. She came to professional success through journalism and her stints writing for the likes of Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair and Spin Magazine. She also found her voice on social media a decade ago as Do It Girl, a popular blog-facebook presence for young women seeking a spiritual experience. But it was hitting rock bottom, struggling with substance use and just kind of chaotic dysfunction that Sarah came to understand the trauma of being an Unmothered Woman.
She has since deepened her studies, diving into the works of Marion Woodman and apprenticing to the myths of Inanna and Ereshkigal, devoting herself to the work of elevating the Mature Feminine as well as her activism work, intersectional feminism, decolonization, divesting from whiteness, and eradication of the patriarchy.
Check out Sarah's website, themotherspirit.com
Plus her Instagram and her book.
Support the women of Iran.
Sign the Amnesty International petition
Email your Canadian MP

Saturday Oct 22, 2022
Saturday Oct 22, 2022
Sharon Blackie, PhD, is a writer, psychologist and mythologist. In her most recent book, Hagitude: Reimagining The Second Half Of Life, Sharon explores the inner life of women over 50 and women who’ve experienced menopause and invites us to challenge belief systems and rewrite the elder years as a time of great flowering. In this conversation, we explore what Sharon describes as the "incandescence" of menopause and the spiritual purpose of women's elderhood.
She is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, and has taught and lectured at several academic institutions, Jungian organisations, retreat centres and cultural festivals around the world. Some of her work, particularly her two previous books, If Women Rose Rooted and The Enchanted Life, are considered by many to be among the classic psychospiritual and mythic texts of our age, sitting comfortably on the shelf alongside other greats such as Clarissa Pinkola Estes and Jean Shinoda Bolen.
Her highly acclaimed books and courses are focused on the development of the mythic imagination. She likes to explore the relevance of myths, fairy tales and folk traditions to the personal, cultural and environmental problems we face today.
Find Hagitude wherever you buy books and check out Dr.Blackie's many programs at sharonblackie.net

Tuesday Oct 18, 2022
Tuesday Oct 18, 2022
This is a super fun episode based on a genuine conversation between friends. In this episode, death doula and fellow animist, Andrea Sexton Dumas, asks me some excellent questions!
• What is the personality of The Spirited Kitchen – if it was a person, what would they be like?• As a collapse-aware person, what was it like to write about cooking and gathering during the pandemic?
• What rituals did I do to petition the Greater Powers to support this book?
• Which deities and spirit guides pressed upon me during the writing of this book or came to me in dreams?Check out more of Andrea's work here: andreasextondumas.com
Follow Andrea on Instagram and come to Candle Hour!
Support the women's revolution in Iran.

Thursday Oct 13, 2022
Thursday Oct 13, 2022
This is a mini-episode where I talk about the two fundamentals that I believe are required in someone's practice for them to be a witch: animism and activism. If these two things aren't present in someone's craft, I am dubious. They are playing around. They are not being serious. I would not claim them as a peer or fellow practitioner of witchcraft.
Learn more about Witches New Year.
Pre-order The Spirited Kitchen.

Monday Oct 10, 2022
Monday Oct 10, 2022
Nikiah Seeds has been working in the realm of ceremony and healing for the past 20 years and is the creatrix of the Red Moon Mystery school and co-author of Moon Mysteries: Reclaiming Woman's Menstrual Wisdom.
She offers ancestral healing work and spiritual mentoring along with her creations as a weaver, and drum maker and teacher. Among her offerings are sacred drums, rattles, and shawls/prayer cloaks, as well as online courses.
In this conversation, Nikiah and I talk about changing our identities and adapting language as we grow and evolve. Once again we touch on the topic of being a witch at mid- or later life and the lack of intergenerational spaces for exchange and transmission amongst witches. Nikiah shares when and where she feels most creative and what she does when she's blocked.
www.redmoonmysteryschool.com
Sacred Path Apprenticeship and Certification
Learn more about Nikiah at:
https://www.redmoonmysteryschool.com/about
and
www.nikiahseeds.com

Friday Oct 07, 2022
Friday Oct 07, 2022
My astrologer, Eliza, is here! Eliza Robertson is a published author, researcher, and astrologer based in Montreal, Canada. She holds a PhD from the University of East Anglia and has published two books of fiction, one of which was selected as a New York Times Editor's Choice. She
began formalizing her astrological studies at the Faculty of Astrology in the UK and has
gone on to study Hellenistic and Electional Astrology with Chris Brennan and Horary
with Nina Gryphon at Kepler College. She co-hosts an astrology and occult podcast under the banner, Kosmic Tonic, and is currently the Director of Content for the CHANI App. You know the CHANI app - Chani Nicholas, another beloved astrologer - that Chani’s app.
Learn more about safer sex work at PEERS Victoria.
Listen to the podcast she co-hosts under the banner Kosmic Tonic.
Come to her session at Witches New Year!

Monday Oct 03, 2022
Monday Oct 03, 2022
I'm delighted to welcome Erin Fairchild to the podcast! Erin is founder of Journal As Altar, as well as a social worker and (not currently practicing) therapist with expertise related to childhood trauma, attachment, and preventing violence in systems, communities, and families.
In this episode, we talk about the ritual of journaling, and about coming back to the practice if you've experienced a betrayal, conflict, or violation of privacy with your journal.
In addition to Journal As Altar, Erin continues to work in the fields of equity-centered trauma informed care and violence prevention over at Collective Action Consulting. I have wanted to have Erin on the podcast ever since I took her Journal As Altar workshop and received the care package of supplies in the mail - and we're so lucky to have her presenting at Witches New Year this year!
Find Erin on Instagram @journal.as.altar
Erin's Workshops
Erin's Substack Community
Munro's Books - 20% off pre-orders of The Spirited Kitchen

Friday Sep 30, 2022
Friday Sep 30, 2022
Mimi Young is here again - in 2020 she was here and we talked about intuition and tea and plant medicine and working with ancestors. Today we’re talking about animism, numerology, her relationship to the word witch, and what we might have in store as we move through the second half of a Yang Water Tiger Year into a Yin Rabbit year in early 2023.
Mimi Young is a Taiwanese Canadian animist spirit medium and the founder of Ceremonie, an esoteric brand focused on imparting practical ancient wisdom so folks can actively receive support from spirits, break negative patterns, and celebrate their path.
Mimi works at the intersection of animism and wu shamanism, ancestral wisdom, dream work, and other Chinese mystic practices to communicate with the Unseen. She offers private readings, education and mentorship, and made-to-order skin and aura care.
Find Mimi on Instagram: @shopceremonie
Learn more about Mimi's offerings:
CHINESE ASTROLOGY 1 + 2
Immerse, explore and interact with aspects of ancient Chinese Astrology in a thorough, straightforward and highly relatable way.https://shopceremonie.com/product/chinese-astrology-sessions-1-2-on-demand/
MYSTERY MENTORSHIP:A way into the hidden through animism + the esoteric arts
https://shopceremonie.com/learn/mystery-mentorship/
HOMING COVEN:A coven of collabortive animist-esoteric practice, relational care, and the power of the commmunal
https://shopceremonie.com/homing-coven/
www.shopceremonie.com

Monday Sep 26, 2022
Monday Sep 26, 2022
Thérèse Cator is an artist, performer, leadership coach, embodiment practitioner, and founder of Embodied Black Girl, a global community that stands for the embodied liberation of Black women and femmes and women of color globally. Part of that work is realized through the Global Healing Festival, an annual online event featuring over 20 inspiring presenters.
Thérèse has been a coach for 13 years, has been practicing energy work since her teens and performing and writing since childhood. We’ve been friends since Therese first appeared on the podcast in 2017 when we spoke about Shadow Alchemy. Since then we’ve been fellow students more than once and we’ve collaborated professionally by co-facilitated small groups together. Thérèse has held me in some of my most vulnerable moments, at other times she’s given me really stingy feedback when I needed it. I love hearing about her upbringing and family traditions and this conversation about how she celebrates the Wheel of the Year in her Haitian tradition has been a long time coming. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!

Thursday Sep 22, 2022
Thursday Sep 22, 2022
Seattle native, L'Erin Alta, is a mystic, medicine woman, and spiritual mentor with more than 20 years of experience helping women + femmes live their soul's purpose by being their most authentic selves. As creatrix of Black Girl Mystic, she leads masterclasses, workshops, retreats and 1:1 mentorships guiding Black women, femmes, and gender queer folk to embody wealth, ease, and freedom from a deep place of soul alignment.
Her work as a masterful healer, magical facilitator, and transformational space holder began over 20 years ago in the Women's Research and Resource Center of Spelman College, one of the historically Black colleges and universities in the US . It was there that she started SisterFire, a monthly all-women's open-mic / spiritual ceremony / healing space. From Seattle to Spelman to powerful spaces near and far, healing and liberation has always been L'Erin's purpose and she's embodying it everyday.
L'Erin first appeared on the podcast in 2017 when we spoke about Lineage + Legacy.
In this episode, we're talking about manifestation without spiritual bypass, healing the money wound|mother wound and releasing any conditionality placed upon our self-worth, and finding joy and pleasure in unexpected places!Go to Black Girl Mystic to learn more about L'Erin's courses and mentorship.
Follow L'Erin on Instagram @lerinalta

Monday Sep 19, 2022
Monday Sep 19, 2022
Natalie Rousseau is here and we’re talking about her relationship to the word “witch”, how we feel about creativity and self-expression, feeling stuck, the books we long to write, and the stories we love to hear again and again. Natalie is a woman who wears many hats. She’s taught yoga and meditation since 2002 and is currently in school studying somatic therapy. She lives in Hul'qumi'num territory, also known as Salt Spring Island, BC. She’s a great listener, an excellent writer, and a gentle teacher and I know you’re going to love this conversation between two very like-minded women of great mutual respect.
In this episode, we mentioned the newer feminist edition of The Odyssey by Emily Wilson (and here's a Vox article on why her version is an important piece of work.)
Also Circe by Madeline Miller
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Sign up for her newsletter to stay informed about her 13 Moons program and other offerings.
Pre-Order The Spirited Kitchen now!

Tuesday Sep 13, 2022
Tuesday Sep 13, 2022
Gather in for a tender talk today about love and loss and friend breakups and grief and how all that impacts the creative process. I’m speaking today with Angela E Morris, author of Love Notes to Grievers.
{Content Warning for mentions of death and suicide.}
Angela is a writer and massage therapist who offers people a soft space to land as they navigate their grief. She provides reflective writing on grief and relationships impacted by grief, pushing against how the dominant culture reacts toward death and loss and mourning. She encourages her readers to take time to process their pain and be with their loss, carrying their loved ones with them, not leaving them behind.
Today we share an intimate conversation, itself a love note to all the grievers out there. We see you. You’re welcome here. Grab a cup of tea or head out to the garden with your headphones on – maybe don’t listen while you’re driving cuz the tears will make it hard to see the road. Whatever you’re doing right now, pull over and let’s have a minute together, shall we? We’re stepping onto sacred ground now.
Find Angela on Instagram at:
@angelaemmamorris
@ange_morris
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Classic Episodes
The Numinous Podcast has been around a long time and cross-pollinates a lot of topics.
Check out these top downloads to get the lay of the land:
• Ep.64: Learning To See In The Dark
• Ep.61: Healing The Abandonment Wound
• Ep.127: Moon Magic with Sarah Faith Gottesdiener
• Ep.118: Patti Elledge on the Neurobiology of Attachment
• Ep.120: Alexandra Stein on Disorganized Attachment in Cults & Totalitarian Regimes
• Ep.161: Collapse in a Nutshell with Carmen Spagnola
• Ep.155: Growing Giant Pumpkins with Dave Chan
• Ep.151: Oliver Choquette on the Intersection of Gender Diversity and Neurodivergence
• Ep.149: Spiritual Hygiene for the Holidays with Carmen Spagnola